Here’s the notes for episode #4 of The Meaning of Everything show.

Stefani chats with specialist in ancient religious texts Brent Nongbri about the great mistake we all make about religion: thinking it’s real. Crazy as it sounds, it’s true: in some ways, religion doesn’t really exist. Tune in to this first interview episode to have your mind blown about how wrong you’ve been about religion all along–and what this means for culture and politics today.

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Religion Isn’t Real?: The Invention and Toxicity of a Colonial Idea

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